Comments on: Plumbing Sucks

By: alrubinger

alrubinger — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:52:22 +0000

Just a note that I am indeed looking into Appcelerator and some of Bill’s suggestions. There will be a follow-up post.

S,
ALR

By: Jeff Haynie

Jeff Haynie — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:57:29 +0000

Come over and collaborate with us at Appcelerator (as Bill Burke suggested). I think we have (close to) what you’re looking for and that’s our direction as well. RIA+SOA – that’s the future.

Check out http://www.appcelerator.org or http://try.appcelerator.org for more info. Would love to collaborate with you.

BTW – I was one of the co-authors of JBoss Remoting and early core jboss developer.

By: MVC plumbing sucks « Angry Bill

MVC plumbing sucks « Angry Bill — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:55:35 +0000

[...] by billburke on January 9, 2008 I agree with new JBossian, Andy Rubinger. Plumbing sucks. Andy talks about how he hates Struts, et al. and wished he could rip it out for a more lightweight [...]

By: billburke

billburke — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:50:41 +0000

I’m a REST noob too. I just don’t think the concepts are only applicable to CRUD applications though. Even if you map your URI’s to verbs rather than resources there’s a lot to be said for the simplicity of the model.

By: alrubinger

alrubinger — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:18:24 +0000

Bill:

Or why not do both? I’d love to see as many client extensions as possible to make accessing EJBs simple and straightforward to programmers at any level of the application.

And I wouldn’t choose a RESTful architecture to model everything in my application – not every action is a CRUD. Oftentimes (as a style) I model my service methods to be more like verbs, encapsulating logic that may involve any number of entities. Prove me wrong here, I’m familiar w/ REST only conceptually and have not used it in practice.

And finally, my dispatch layer is invoked over HTTP; it just takes care of the delegation that would otherwise have to be written in the web tier.

S,
ALR

By: billburke

billburke — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:20:34 +0000

Why not remove your MDB/EJB dispatch layer and replace it with something RESTful? That way your client layer is decoupled from any specific middleware or bloated specification and relies on a stable, ubiquitous, lightweight protocol. Namely HTTP.

By: alrubinger

alrubinger — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:55:00 +0000

Yes, but in this case, there’s no need for a separate TO layer, simply objects on both the AS/JS and Java sides, and transparent conversion inbetween.

S,
ALR

By: Michael Neale

Michael Neale — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:17:40 +0000

I actually think that invoking services from a client (say, in JS, or flash) actually is using a DTO to talk to the server (although the DTO is typically braindead simple). But this is a perfectly valid thing – it is crossing the network CHASM, and a transfer object is justified.